Hello,

I'm quite curious about the way Joe uses his 2 delay pedals. All this time, i've been using only 1 pedal and found that it does what i need it to.

Can someone please explain to me why Joe uses two? and if possible provide some samples or refer to songs that he uses in particular.

I read that Joe has different timings on them obviously so he can have different delays times and even create reverb.

Can we just make do with 1 delay pedal? why have two? *scratch head*.. do the majority of people here use 1 or 2 delay pedals?

Is it just more convient to have 2 delays available to switch between the 2 at any time?

So does Joe have them both on? or 1 on 1 off depending on the effect he wants etc?

Also, please correct me if i'm wrong here, but the DD2 is analog, and the DD3 is Digital? any reasoning behind why he has the DD2 first then DD3?

Why doesn't Joe just use 2 DD2's or 2 DD3's? or even 2DD5's or 2DD6's?

Sorry for so many questions...

Thanks!

Good question, plus one I would like to know the answer to aswell.

Anyone here know the answer to this?

i found this page:

http://members.at.infoseek.co.jp/blue_rose/JSsetting.html

it mentions delay time settings for a DD2 and the two Chandler delays (which i think are now defunct / retired)... i have read the exact settings for the Boss delays somewhere, but i can't find it anywhere :( sorry! :(

I read somewhere that he uses this set up to 'delay his delay'. not sure of any definite examples but maybe an oriental melody intro kinda sound???? or i think it's more likely an Is there love in space sound.
sorry i can't be of more help!!

if you listen closely you can hear the delayed delay in the opening chords of Time on LISF...

I use this setup. I nabbed it from joe. I have a MIJ dd-2 and dd-3. The DD2 is setup for a short delay and the dd3 for a slightly longer. Delay adds ambience and smoothes out the tone a little while keeping it articulate. Some people like to add reverb to their sound but it clutters and makes the player sound sloppy. To my ears it makes it muddy sounding using reverb... so adding the second delay will simulate the ambience like reverb without killing the sound.

I use the DD-2 in the distorted channels of my amp, using the dd-2 and dd-3 causes loss of articulation, however, using the dd-2 and dd-3 in the clean channel can make a heavenly sound.

Hope this helps!

Mike Einziger of Incubus uses this technique also, sounds great! ^_^ I don't know how Joe uses them, maybe they've asked this question in the Talk to Joe-section of satriani.com? Just to name something...

Hi guys, thanks for the replies so far.

This is the link from "Satchworld" i think from a while back, it shows his delay settings.
http://peven2727.free.fr/matos.php

Any ideas why Joe went DD2 to DD3, rather than DD2 to DD2 or DD3 to DD3? or DD5 to DD5?

Maybe Satch just like MIJ Boss pedal .

Update: Well i managed to get my hands on a Boss DD3 and hooked it up.
I followed the settings found on the website link above.

The result?

Well i don't know exactly... i don't know how its meant to sound. The other pedal i had was a Ibanez delay pedal (set to Long delay).

With both on, i get a very ambient, full reverby sound... very busy and musical tho. But not sure how that quite fits in?

If i use individual pedals.. then its simpler and i could see Joe using the Long delay pedal for songs such as The Forgotton Part II and the short delay for songs like Starry Night?

But having both pedals on.. i dont know where Joe would use it?

Can anyone help? and if possible maybe post some sound clips so we can hear what its
meant to sound like?

Also from reading, i found that the Boss DD2 and DD3 which Joe uses are basicalliy the same. The DD3 being the later version but having the same components as the DD2. The chip used in the DD2/DD3 are meant to have been the same chips used in the more expensive rack mounted delay units out there.

Thanks!

You can hear the reverb-delay FX in the song Rubina in the the LISF; also in the bonus of that DVD when Joe is showing his gear you can hear how it sounds, also I think when Joe uses the 2 delays he adds the boss chorus.

So i guess delaying the delay (running two delays at a time) is more for rhythm/chordal work?

In terms of unleashing a solo, Joe tends to use a single delay set to either short or long?

How about Joe's live setup? does he use delay at all? i find it hard to hear the delays in Joes live performances.

i wouldn't say it's just for rhythm or chordal work, it's just another effect available that you (or in this case Joe) wants to use... it's kinda like using reverb to your own tastes - Joe cascades two delay pedals to make a sound that's kinda like reverb, but it doesn't mess with his sound (sometimes when using reverb there are too few parameters to edit and so everything you try makes your sound muddy and indistinct)...

Joe's choice of brand and model of delay pedals probably is a result of lots of experimenting too ;)

Regarding hearing it live I seem to remember writing this before in this forum on another thread, but whatever, if you listen to the opening chords on the first track of LISF (Time i think?) you can hear the cascaded delay pedals... I think the chords are probably something like B5 C5 <pause> A5 B5... but basically just listen to what you hear from Joe when he's not playing... that's the sound of two delay pedals combined :)

If you're having trouble hearing it clearly, try it in surround sound if you can, or put some headphones on - it's unmistakeable!

Hope this helps! :)

Well the DD-2s are considered to sound alot better than the DD-3s, except for one excemption, which is the DD-3 MIJ w/ big circuit board. Those are pretty much the same as the DD-2. So Joe probably has a DD-2 and MIJ big PCB DD-3, which both sound essentially, the same. Obtaining them was probably a convienence factor, and then he decided they did the job and stuck with them.

That's my assumption though.

I think a lot of people will get frustrated trying the two pedals together...The reason why is that there is not as much delay effect going on as you think there is...Just enough for ambience...Joe likely runs the two pedals through his effects loop on the JSX and then turns the effects loop level knob to a lower level...If you try and run the same set-up through the front of your amp, there will be way too much delay going on...

I agree with you there wetpants. I run the 2 delay volumes quite low and theres nice reverby, spacious, resonating sound.

But if i turn my delays up a bit, then it gets really busy and messy.

I guess the good thing is i understand how one can get reverb from the use of delay now tho. Saves me getting a seperate reverb pedal!

have them both is like putting the key ingredients to a cake