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Title: Does Joe Use The Coil Tap And High Pass Filter?


wetpants - February 19, 2006 05:04 AM (GMT)
Just wondering...He has such a raw bluesy tone for the intro to Summer Song and House Full of Bullets, but you can see that the coil tap and high pass filter is not engaged. I thought he would have at least pulled out the high pass filter for playing with his guitar at a lower volume. Have any of you dialed a really bluesy tone with a JS 1000/1200 etc...? If so, how did you do it? ie) how much gain, volume pot on the guitar etc..Thanks...Just curious.

hoiguy79 - February 19, 2006 06:35 AM (GMT)
I Think his high pass filter is modifyed for been always in this position, not needing to pull it, but never seen Joe using the tap coil, if he ever use this thing, must be only in studio for rythm guitars, so now Galen is the one in charge for this.

wetpants - February 19, 2006 06:46 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (hoiguy79 @ Feb 19 2006, 06:35 AM)
I Think his high pass filter is modifyed for been always in this position, not needing to pull it, but never seen Joe using the tap coil, if he ever use this thing, must be only in studio for rythm guitars, so now Galen is the one in charge for this.

I don't think so. Galen uses a Strat anyways, and Joe does all the rhythm work himself on his albums. I don't think the high pass fileter is modified in any way. Why would he always have it on? That would be kind of pointless.

hoiguy79 - February 19, 2006 08:32 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (wetpants @ Feb 19 2006, 06:46 AM)

I don't think so. Galen uses a Strat anyways, and Joe does all the rhythm work himself on his albums. I don't think the high pass fileter is modified in any way. Why would he always have it on? That would be kind of pointless.

If you ever have seen Joe playing live or in any video, hi is always using the volum pot, so if you know what is for the high pass filter, you would know that lets him not losing the high frequencys wen he rolls down the volum pot to have a diferent sound onf the distortion (it goes to cruch), so if he always is using it I think is pointless to have as a push/pull option

wetpants - February 19, 2006 09:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (hoiguy79 @ Feb 19 2006, 08:32 AM)
QUOTE (wetpants @ Feb 19 2006, 06:46 AM)

I don't think so. Galen uses a Strat anyways, and Joe does all the rhythm work himself on his albums. I don't think the high pass fileter is modified in any way. Why would he always have it on? That would be kind of pointless.

If you ever have seen Joe playing live or in any video, hi is always using the volum pot, so if you know what is for the high pass filter, you would know that lets him not losing the high frequencys wen he rolls down the volum pot to have a diferent sound onf the distortion (it goes to cruch), so if he always is using it I think is pointless to have as a push/pull option

You don't make any sense! I own a JS 1200 and you have a lot more tonal options with the high pass filter and coil tap than you would without. Trust me, he does not have a high pass filter mod on his guitar so that it is just on all the time. That would be pointless. A high pass filter does not make sense when you are playing at full volume, so why would he have it engaged? Is there anybody here who knows something about the topic who I can understand? Sorry buddy, no offense, but you need to learn how to use spell check and to formulate a sentence that makes sense. It's very difficult to understand you. Sorry!

hoiguy79 - February 19, 2006 09:36 AM (GMT)
Ok sorry for my sentences, I´m mexican (not perfect english), well the high pass filter only works when you start rolling down the volume, you should know that if you have the Js1200, if you have it at full it will sound just like if it was off, I also know how those it works cause I have added the high pass filter to my Ibanez Rg270 (but I installed it with out the push/pull pot, just a regular one); but I imagine is a pain in the ass having that pot pulled out when you do so many Whammy bar tricks like Joe does.

And the tap coil is not used by Joe in live, cause Galen use the strats, so guess he helps getting those single coil sounds, so Joe can focus more in playing melody that in changing the pots potition.

PhryDom - February 19, 2006 03:34 PM (GMT)
I think if Joe has these facilities on the guitars he helped to design he probably does use all of them, it'd be kinda silly to ask Ibanez to add things like this if he doesn't use them... maybe we need to get our LISF DVDs out again and watch something other than his neck hand! :lol:

wetpants - February 19, 2006 07:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (hoiguy79 @ Feb 19 2006, 09:36 AM)
Ok sorry for my sentences, I´m mexican (not perfect english), well the high pass filter only works when you start rolling down the volume, you should know that if you have the Js1200, if you have it at full it will sound just like if it was off, I also know how those it works cause I have added the high pass filter to my Ibanez Rg270 (but I installed it with out the push/pull pot, just a regular one); but I imagine is a pain in the ass having that pot pulled out when you do so many Whammy bar tricks like Joe does.

And the tap coil is not used by Joe in live, cause Galen use the strats, so guess he helps getting those single coil sounds, so Joe can focus more in playing melody that in changing the pots potition.

No, it does not sound the same! I've been playing a long time. I can tell the difference...

hoiguy79 - February 20, 2006 01:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (PhryDom @ Feb 19 2006, 03:34 PM)
I think if Joe has these facilities on the guitars he helped to design he probably does use all of them, it'd be kinda silly to ask Ibanez to add things like this if he doesn't use them... maybe we need to get our LISF DVDs out again and watch something other than his neck hand! :lol:

Yeah, but we must think also on the stage performance, you need always to keep it simple as posible, when you are recording you can use lots of things cause you have the time, but in stage is only one take... so it has to be perfect and simple to play.

The only time I've seen Joe pulling a pot is in the Namm 2006 planet wave show, you can even hear when he pulls it.

wetpants - February 20, 2006 02:00 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (hoiguy79 @ Feb 20 2006, 01:38 AM)
QUOTE (PhryDom @ Feb 19 2006, 03:34 PM)
I think if Joe has these facilities on the guitars he helped to design he probably does use all of them, it'd be kinda silly to ask Ibanez to add things like this if he doesn't use them... maybe we need to get our LISF DVDs out again and watch something other than his neck hand! :lol:

Yeah, but we must think also on the stage performance, you need always to keep it simple as posible, when you are recording you can use lots of things cause you have the time, but in stage is only one take... so it has to be perfect and simple to play.

The only time I've seen Joe pulling a pot is in the Namm 2006 planet wave show, you can even hear when he pulls it.

For the last time, Joe has a push pull pot for the high pass filter and coil tap on all of his guitars, and in this last post here you said you saw him use it live on the NAMM video. So, aren't you kind of contradicting yourself?

PhryDom - February 20, 2006 03:58 AM (GMT)
High-pass filter on JS1000 and JS1200 volume pots maintains highs at low volumes. Source: Ibanez

As far as I understand the pull on the volume control on the JS1000 (and presumably the JS1200 too) engages a high pass filter (you can also read "reduce the bassy woolliness" when you see "high pass") and the pull on the tone control engages the coil tap, presumably for both pickups...

but, to get back to the OP, the capacitor used in the guitar's volume control push-pull also engages the high-pass filter when it's not engaged, so when the guitar's volume is reduced the sound doesn't get duller and duller (like with a les paul) - it remains bright (like with a strat - this is standard wiring for a strat)... so reducing the guitar's volume should get you that sound you asked about - keep your effects, amp settings, etc the same - let the guitar (and the magic capacitor! ;) ) make the sound for you...

hope that makes sense! it's been a long day at work and i just got home!

wetpants - February 20, 2006 04:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (PhryDom @ Feb 20 2006, 03:58 AM)
High-pass filter on JS1000 and JS1200 volume pots maintains highs at low volumes. Source: Ibanez

As far as I understand the pull on the volume control on the JS1000 (and presumably the JS1200 too) engages a high pass filter (you can also read "reduce the bassy woolliness" when you see "high pass") and the pull on the tone control engages the coil tap, presumably for both pickups...

but, to get back to the OP, the capacitor used in the guitar's volume control push-pull also engages the high-pass filter when it's not engaged, so when the guitar's volume is reduced the sound doesn't get duller and duller (like with a les paul) - it remains bright (like with a strat - this is standard wiring for a strat)... so reducing the guitar's volume should get you that sound you asked about - keep your effects, amp settings, etc the same - let the guitar (and the magic capacitor! ;) ) make the sound for you...

hope that makes sense! it's been a long day at work and i just got home!

Phrdom, I know how it works and how to get a bluesy tone, but I am curious how other people use their JS's to get that tone, just to compare notes...I don't see how it got to explaining what a high pass filter is...Is there anybody who can respond to my original post, in a relevant manner? No offense man! Thanks.

hoiguy79 - February 20, 2006 04:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (wetpants @ Feb 20 2006, 02:00 AM)
QUOTE (hoiguy79 @ Feb 20 2006, 01:38 AM)
QUOTE (PhryDom @ Feb 19 2006, 03:34 PM)
I think if Joe has these facilities on the guitars he helped to design he probably does use all of them, it'd be kinda silly to ask Ibanez to add things like this if he doesn't use them... maybe we need to get our LISF DVDs out again and watch something other than his neck hand! :lol:

Yeah, but we must think also on the stage performance, you need always to keep it simple as posible, when you are recording you can use lots of things cause you have the time, but in stage is only one take... so it has to be perfect and simple to play.

The only time I've seen Joe pulling a pot is in the Namm 2006 planet wave show, you can even hear when he pulls it.

For the last time, Joe has a push pull pot for the high pass filter and coil tap on all of his guitars, and in this last post here you said you saw him use it live on the NAMM video. So, aren't you kind of contradicting yourself?

How many guitars you think Joe Has? some are modifyed and some are not man, also in this video Gallen is not playing in it, but I don't want to be a pain in tha ass better I will let others post their opinions ;)

wetpants - February 20, 2006 09:07 PM (GMT)
Hoiguy79. What does Galen have to do with any of this? And just what is the relevance of how many guitars Joe owns? Where is the proof of these mods you claim Joe has? Sorry, man, but you just don't make any sense.

NeilEynon - February 21, 2006 12:39 PM (GMT)
I use the High pass filter all the time, it is really useful live when you need slightly less distortion maybe for rhythm work or for just cleaning up the lead sound.

The coil tap is a must IMHO as when you are playing live you can get a strat type sound then go to full humbucking for a solo. I have to say I use all the features the JS1200 has to offer.

hungryta - February 21, 2006 02:08 PM (GMT)
I think the coil tap w/ high pass filter works really great for "turned down" bluesy sounds...

Gmurphy - March 17, 2006 09:58 PM (GMT)
Hi
for me its the best way to get the bluesy sound of joe ! :P

js1200ca - April 1, 2006 10:53 PM (GMT)
I found that with the coil tap engaged and the PU selector in the center (therfore engaging both PUs) I can get an almost simulated accoustic guitar sound when playing with a clean signal. I also use this to get a nice bluesy tone with my crunch signal.




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