Guys been learning FIABD last week or so since licklibrary did a Danny Gill videop lesson which is excellent and now got most of to memory jsut need to perfect it at full tempo. My question is at the end of the intro section up on the high E string 20th fret the note is sustain for eternity while he taps the whammy bar. I have seen some covers other have done and they have to repick constantly the note but if I do that the Fred pickup in my JS is so loud it pick up the picking too much. Does Joe repick it subtlely or is he sustaining the note for that long?

This is not sustain. It is feedback. At least I think so, unless he uses his pedal to create it. I know that Boss DD3 (which he has) has a function called 'endless sustain' or something like that but I have never tried it. But definetly not picking and definetly no guitar can have a normal sustain that long.
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actually, from what i noticed from LISF, Joe actually does pick the 'highest' C when he does that before the first solo, then afterwards too. but the intro is purely feedback.

Joe holds octave shapes with the frethand in order to get those feedback notes to come out...

It's not feedback, he just hits the C-note everytime the drummer hits his bass-drum (or whatever, I'm not a drummer). This way you won't hear the sound of your pick hitting the string.

I've got an interview somewhere where Satch explains this... I'll see if I can find it

Yeah, Joe's definitely picking the note. He does it every 4 times he depresses the whammy bar. So it goes *pick*,2,3,4,*pick*,2,3,4, etc. Watch one of his concerts. You can almost hear the picking noise.

Ah thanks for that guys it makes sense now and watched live in San Fran again to confirm this. All I nned now is a big bass drum LOL

That's how he does it live, but the studio version is definitely feedback.

It's just a little harder to consistantly nail a sustained feedback in pitch while playing live night after night - too much of it depends on the venue acoustics, positioning relative tot he monitors, etc - things that are a bit outside the control of the player. So, Joe cheats a bit. ;)

In a home studio environment, and E-bow is worth a look, too - mine rocks, it seems like 2/3 of the stuff I've recorded since I bought it has at least some textural ebow work in the background in a section or two. :)

i cant help but notice joe picking in LISF!!! :lol:

Thanks for the help on this guys can reports that following my trem arm modification I can now do this part of the song so I have nailed all of it now bar hte screams at the end....I can do screams but just not fluently as a follow on from the long sustain parts.

Hopefully cover can be done this month some time

Stew

have faith me friend, and you WILL cover it! :rock2:

I can't seem to get those feedback notes, how Loud does the amp have to be?? :(

-Rich-

^^^^I find it has to be very VERY loud for me...my les paul's humbeckers dont give me feedback (some people love it, i hate it now that i play satch songs lol) so i throw in a wah, but that sometimes gives a screaming...sound.

Play the C-power chord on the 2-3-4 strings (looking down from the low E) with heavey distortion and other treble effects, and you should get the right feedback :hunger:

joe actually doesnt hold the power chord but rather only the root and octave notes, and not the 5th.

mm...satch actually pick that section like this:
*pick* _vibrato_*pick*_vib...
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im not sure but here the discussion is about the 1:20 minute,
i did ask on other topic about ther intro of flying, and the admin send me here...

the feedback effect whose you're talkin' 'bout is from the intro??
thx

Yeah, i guess Phry was confused and thought you were talkin bout the part they are discussin here, but i'm sure you were talkin about the very first part... the intro.

I have explained you what i thought about how he does it. I don't know if its right but i guess its close

mm yeah..i read your post...its probably the way satch does it,...
but sadly i dont have a good amp, or a good guitar, or a good fx (i have a zoom 505 I =D) :loser: ajajaja
i'll keep searching a way to do it without the parafernalia of a guitar god.
thx mapu.

Check on youtube by "Flyin in a blue Dream Cover".

There are a lot of guys who disguise the feedback, by rollin down de Volume Pot, then they hit some natural harmonics, and then they roll up again the volume pot

check that out

but that trick still doesnt have the feel of a feedback does it?

do the steve vai route and use a sustainer pickup in harmonic setting; it uses magnets to feedback the string perfect

hello man, 1º post...

i dont know how work a sustainer pickup...
i've never hear about it...lol
always learning something.. :)

i think gonna play the natural harmonics across the fret with a volume pedal an a lot of vibrato and tremolo to enlarge the sound... B)

regards

To record FIABD he used a Mesa/Boogie Mark IIC+ with a MIJ DS-1 and oodles of delay. To get feedback you need to stand in the right point, turn up your tube amplifier to a reasonably high level, and pray you hit the right overtones! ;)

a majority of the statements in this thread are wrong..the feedback is done only one way holding a c major chord on the third fret, angling the guitar and finding the 3 feedback frequencies which are very easy if your guitar is in perfect tune / use a slow vibratto on the tremelo...otherwise you will get little or no feedback ...it doesnt have to be loud but powerful

http://satrianiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4617&st=0

True...I've also attained the same effect by just holding a C octave shape or even a C note on one of the strings at a higher volume...More volume=mucho sustain...

Yes, you can see Joe moving around to get the feedback, also if you see carefully he marks with tape in the floor the right spot.

no he doesnt tape the floor...lol..its not that hard to find, sound check is enough to find the approximate area...after a few song endings you get a feel for the sweet spots
marks on the floor are usually marks for standing in focus to preset cameras..otherwise its leftovers from the stages usage