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Do you remember when nearly all of the internet tab archives were removed a year or two ago? It happened because people were posting tabs taken directly from the books, thus infringing upon copyrighted material. I realise you're trying to help everyone, but I suspect you're not doing yourself many favours :( Probably wiser to not post such links.

I have got the tab book and these guitar pro files( from ultimateguitar) and would disagree that these were taken from the tab book....they were on that site before the tab book was released and there are differences in the tabs. Not sure about the powertabs though.

I don't think these links are a problem as it would have been removed from the ultimate guitar site before now. now if someone since the tabbook came out made a guitar pro or power tab from it directly then that is not right and should not be allowed!!

And no, those GP files weren't on there before. And the user admitted to doing it.

Ultimate-Guitar is based in Russia, so there's nothing illegal about it.

Look at 95% of Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson, or any other guitar god powertabs, they're directly and blatantly from tabbook. Not saying that there's nothing wrong with it, but if you've ever looked at the powertabs for:

A Piece Of Liquid
A Train Of Angels
All Alone
Always With Me, Always With You
Attack
Back To The Shalla-Bal
Banana Mango II
Baroque
Belly Dancer
Big Bad Moon
Borg Sex
Brother John
Can't Slow Down
Ceremony
Champagne
Chords Of Life
Circles
Clouds Race Across The Sky
Cool #9
Crushing Day
Cryin'
Crystal Planet
Day At The Beach
Devil's Slide
Driving At Night
Echo
Engines Of Creation
Flavour Crystal 7
Flying In A Blue Dream
Friends
Gnaahh
Headless
Hill Groove
Hill Of The Skull
Hordes Of Locusts
House Full Of Bullets
I Am Become Death
I Believe
I Like The Rain
Ice 9
Ice 9 (Live)
If I Could Fly
Into The Light
Is There Love In Space?
Just Look Up
Killer Bee Bop
Lifestyle
Lights Of Heaven
Lords Of Karma
Love Thing
Memories
Midnight
Mind Storm
Morrocan Sunset
Motorcycle Driver
Mountain Song
New Day
Not Of This Earth
One Big Rush
Oriental Melody
Raspberry Jam Delta-V
Ride
Rubina (Live)
Rubina's Blue Sky Happiness
Satch Boogie
Searching
Secret Prayer
Seven String
SleepWalk
Slow And Easy
Speed Of Light
Starry Night
Strange
Summer Song
Surfing With The Alien
Tears In The Rain
The Bells Of Lal (Part One)
The Bells Of Lal (Part Two)
The Crush Of Love
The Enigmatic
The Extremist
The Forgotten Pt.1
The Forgotten Pt.2
The Headless Horseman
The Journey
The Mighty Turtle Head
The Mystical Potato Head Groove Thing
The Power Cosmic 2000 Part I
The Power Cosmic 2000 Part II
The Snake
The Souls Of Distortion
The Traveler
Thinking of You
Time
Time Machine
Until We Say Goodbye
Up In The Sky
What Breaks A Heart
Why
You Saved My Life
Z.Z.'s Song

...Then, well, yeah, you're essentially a hypocrite. Every single one of them are directly from the tabbook, and should be taken down and shouldn't ever be linked to. Again, I'm not saying it's not wrong, but get realistic here.

Actually no, that happened because people were transcribing copyrighted songs. It didn't have anything to do if it was from a tabbook or not.

^ Illegal.

Just because the US / UK / EU / etc can't successfully prosecute doesn't make it legal.

Not true. The whole issue was around the fact that people can learn to play songs by their favourite artists without buying the official book, such as by downloading a PT or a GP or an ASCII TAB file (whether said file was created with access to the official book is irrelevant) thereby (in the lawyers' eyes) circumventing the payment of money for acquiring such information.

Eric is very strict on copyright compliance on this site. If you want to share TABs with each other please don't do it here and don't do it via the email / PM function. Thanks

Well fine. Would linking to or referring another user to look for any one of the tabs listed there be against forum rules then?

<i>Not true. The whole issue was around the fact that people can learn to play songs by their favourite artists without buying the official book, such as by downloading a PT or a GP or an ASCII TAB file (whether said file was created with access to the official book is irrelevant) thereby (in the lawyers' eyes) circumventing the payment of money for acquiring such information.</i>

I know, that's essentially what I meant to say. Or what I did say. People transcribing material (and releasing it publically) without the tabbook. But still of course you can't publically release such tablature anyways, in digital form or not, and whether you've bought it nor not. Thus, transcriptions can only be publcially released through any form if they're through the official tabbook and paid for by copyright. Thus effectively making any tablature on the internet illegal, which is what I already said.

I think Eric's POV is if you link, give instructions to, suggest methods to, etc anybody directly or indirectly to a way that promotes / encourages copyright theft / circumvention (including mp3s, software, backing tracks etc) then don't do it here. This means things like... errr... I can't give examples cos it's against the rules LMAO :lol:

You're right - they're trying to make any and all transcriptions illegal, even personal interpretations. If someone asks "how can I learn House Full Of Bullets?" and your answer isn't "go buy the offical book" then they reckon you're promoting copyright theft.

I think it's wrong. But we have an area here where people can post covers. Perhaps that's double-standards? Eric?

The covers issue is different though because you are performing but not for profit but if you performed the cover in a pub for payment then that is different.

But technically why should it be illegal cos we choose not to buy there books.. its like they are trying to say you cant have a market other than tab books. Which is also illegal. It would be like microsoft suing Apple...its a computer maybe not EXACTLY the same as a microsoft computer.. but microsoft sues them.. which is wrong...

same applies here some can tab it ... may not be 100% correct or the same as a tab book so they have no right to sue. in my opinion, but then they will have a hard time also proving that the guitar pro files or tabs are directly from the book.. especially on simple songs where its quite easy to tab out the same as the book if you have good hearing skills.

Personally i find this whole issue on them sue'in tabbers lame.. and they won't win. How ever on some websites i find guitar pro files on non produced songs (non copyright) which are catergorised by music genre just as good.

The next thing will be we cant copy licks in our solos. lol i use hundreads of hendrix licks :P id be screwed!!!

If i got famous i would promise all my fans to have my music tabbed out for free. If a fan cover'd my music its still publicity to me as long as they say i was the artist that made it.

SirChick, I agree the entire situation is absurd and that in general tabbing/availability of transcriptions is good for the music industry.

However... Comparing a transcription of a performance done by a listener to a published one and saying it'sd analagous to an Apple computer vs. a PC just doesn't hold up. It's a question of intyellectual copyright. The publishing house owns the rights to the musical performance of a song, in all mediums it can be translated into, including tablature. A closer example would be Microsoft's Word computer program, and a freeware version reverse-engineered from Microsoft's program by a user and posted freely on the net. It's a clear violation of copyright law because Microsoft has intellectual ownership of the software, and anyone distributing a derrivative work without their expressed concent is technically violating their copyright.

at this moment, it is the lack of lawyer muscle on the side of the people that tab or otherwise that prevents them from fighting the large publishing houses or for example fighting the record companies.

music companies, publishers, would love to have royalties every time that you heave a song, or read a book. And it kills them when people buy one CD/book and pass it on to friends, however there is nothing illegal about that.

with this being said, strides are being made into open source code and allowing people to advance more free exchange on info.

on a more important example is the restricting drug information from other companies who could make the drug cheaper for people that need it.

how do you put a $ sign on people's life. This is a huge area of debate. Companies say that it is the million $ of that they put into research that allows them to get breakthroughs, and opponents say that it's these high prices that gets people more sick and unable to buy medicines that they need.

interesting subject, isn't it?

It was actually listening to the PowerTab for Mind Storm that got me to buy the song.

Nice twist.

Though there is a drink called Coke (or coca cola) and many drinks called cola piratically the same but tweaked enough to claim it different.

What your saying there is Microsoft owns the monopoly market to word processors but no one can own a monopoly like that and sue any one else who tries certainly not it he Uk anyway! Unless government owned it like British gas once was a monopoly unless the government let it go privately owned .

If they sue tabbers they are trying to make a monopoly but i don't think its legal to stop any one else trying to do it providing its different but I don't know.

If you tabbed a song not 100% the same... what difference is that to some thing like this:

Say your wrote a book and it started with "Once upon a time" but there many books started like that which are copyright, does that mean you can't ever use those 4 words in your book because a different book has copyrighted it... my answer is no of course not because the book itself is different as a whole even if fundamentally they are both a book at end of the day.

Same with two tabs both being different but both fundamentally being the same song. I can see why Eric needs tight rules and I agree with them. I also agree with Drew 100% here he is right, that is how it is at the moment, thanks to UG though they won't ever get this monopoly in music and so thank god for that is all i have to say :P

I think that the people who are seeking to ban tablature are really being way too anal about it all...It definitely should be a free resource for those who wish to use it. That being said, I think tablature is detrimental to the learning process when trying to progress on the guitar. You will do much more for your playing by figuring out guitar parts by ear rather than having it spoon fed to you...It's appealing to take the easy way, but the great players have always worked very hard to be where they are at today, and they haven't taken any shortcuts. Young players coming up don't seem to realize that the only way to become a great player/"guitar hero", is to work hard, with discipline and perseverance. Work hard, but have fun!!!

Spot on in my honest opinion, based on my own learning experience...

(expect the anal part, I would phrase it a bit differently ;) )

Sirchick watch your use of monopoly or those blokes from Spears Games will be knocking on your door and taking you to jail without passing go :D

LOL the law is a monopoly too ! !!

GAH! Still waiting for the PSATMOR tabbook to come out......

When is it out? Any news?