How does Joe get that tone on War's intro for the new G3 setlist.

http://www.ambiguation.com/g3-07/surfingon...1%20-%20war.mp3

heres a stream of it, i though pedal bend of an octave but mine is too high pitched to be an octave, any lower or higher and it wouldn't be in key.. what pedal you rekon is used?

Its a nice eastern sound though i just cant work it out :(

first thought of mine was just a whammy pedal...

It's deffo octave'd up though aint it ? It seems it from my ears, sounds amazing. Maybe itll be his sig pedal :o

Whoa that was awesome. The quality is making it hard to tell what's going on. I think it's up an octave, though it does seem like it would be too high pitched if I were to try it. Did you try playing on the middle-ish strings SirChick?

On a similar note, what's he doing in the Tokyo G3 version of War? Is it an octave down? I've always wondered. I tried it myself with a whammy pedal and it didn't really sound like it. Same with Psycho Monkey in the Anaheim webcast. In that one pentatonic lick he does with wah throughout the song it sounds like it's an octave down but again, it didn't sound like it when I tried it. I also tried it Super Colossal style with the lower octave playing too, which also didn't sound right.

Yeah when I saw him at G3 I thought it was the coolest version of War I had ever heard in my life. :whackit:

that's a whammy pedal set an octave up. but he's playing down towards the nut

Am I the only one that thinks that the sound is nothing new from him? I just think that the recording, the reverb and delay play a role in making it sound different. If you listen carefully you can distinguish the bass playing something on that scale as well that add to Joe's stuff. At most he has an octave doubling (is it written that way? :)) his guitar sound but nothing unordinary. When I am listening to the rest of the song, the lead sounds the same to me. I say it is the scale along with the recording quality that makes that 'eastern' sound... ^_^
For example at 3:49 the run down sounds the same 'muddy' way that the runs in the beginning that bring the idea of a 'whammied' sound. But he has his foot on the wah, so it is not the whammy pedal :)

Just my two [euro]cents :)

edit: now that I listened to it once more I stand behind my opinion and one more thing to say - the whammy BAR is heavily used and it along with the scale and the reverb/delay and stuff bring this sound. At first I thought of conventional playing when I heard it but no I am pretty sure that he uses a lot of whammy bar in the intro (turned backwards probably, as he explains in one guitar video for getting an 'eastern sound' or something like that.

And in the first paragraph I was speaking about a whammy pedal
:)

Well when i heard this live and on other crap version recordings of this song it doesnt sound like this version, the whammy pedal has not sounded like that before.

Though i was only referring to the intro the song itself is no diffrent to normal.

My pedal bend when only 12+ cents higher which is one octave it sounds slightly similar when playing Harmonic Minor based on the A string only, but i think he at one point hits a harmonic which that + octave up plus whammy playing up and down to make it sound eastern is what is making it sound so cool.

The intro doesnt have that satch tone that i usually can go "thats satch's tone", but i know it cos thats satch's playing, if i had not know this was a satch song i wldnt of guessed from the tone, id of thought of some thing else, but once the pedals are off and war begins its deffo joe's normal tone that were used to

I don't know, I don't think so.
Probably it's just me.

By the way, the intro is in E phrygian dominant.

Since I do not own a JSX I cannot make a sample of what I mean. I can only emulate the technique that I am referring to and I might try that one later but you will need a lot of imagination to understand by the sample what I meant.

I think i know what you mean but when i physically saw it and heard it live it sounded diffrent to his usual pedal that he would use for such an affect, could be just a new model slightly diffrent to it. But i do hear the bass in there which blends in so well that could be tricking my ears..


good spot on the phrygian dominant

It's a Whammy pedal set to an octave above. Bothing else other than maybe distortion (amp or pedal) and some delay. Biggest clue (other than ears!) is the perfect octave dive bomb toward the end of the intro.

Joe may be playing with positions and the Whammy, though, to get different sounds. Compare B string 12 15 bend-to-17 with G string 4 B string 3 bend-to5 with Whammy. Same notes different timbre.

The Eastern sound is the scale being played.

Good spot on the end part with that dive bomb i can hear it now , didnt notice that the first time

Joe does a little bit of phrygian dominant whammying after War in the G3 bootleg video found here:
http://satrianiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4496&st=0

Hes Probably using the Boss Super Shifter.....many always mistake it for the whammy..just guessing..didnt hear it

It sounds like Fulltone Ultimate Octave with a mild sub-octave setting to my ears...although I can get the same sound with my Hog...