Title: Check Out This Crushing Day Video
joemeansgod - April 19, 2008 11:20 PM (GMT)
I strongly believe it's from the official DVD, but have no idea if this DVD has been available.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJO_18sTbhA QuickerThanSatch - May 4, 2008 06:06 PM (GMT)
He seemed to really struggle with the sweep picking section
I suppose he is getting old tho, his hands must be pretty brittle
Iv not being playing the guitar for a few years myself, maybe 5 to 6 years, one thing iv noticed since iv came back is that the scene seems to have moved a long way forward of satriani technicaly, he is still a grest songwriting guitarist but his chops seem a little out of date now
Mike_Muse_Rage - May 4, 2008 06:08 PM (GMT)
I love that video, it's on the bonus DVD that comes with Satchafunkilus; I think I was actually more excited about that than the album.
Satch-mo - May 4, 2008 06:37 PM (GMT)
Yeah, I ripped the audio from Crushing Day on that DVD, and am currently transcribing it by ear (slowed down with Audacity). He plays a few parts differently than he does on record, and he's got that extra improv at the end, which will be fun to figure out...It's not too hard though. I know a lot of people say his hardest solo is Crushing Day, but I would have to disagree...I think it's one of the easier ones. IMHO, I think the harder solos include songs such as Devil's Slide, Can't Slow Down, and a few from the ITLIS album...
QuickerThanSatch - May 4, 2008 07:00 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Satch-mo @ May 4 2008, 07:37 PM) |
| Yeah, I ripped the audio from Crushing Day on that DVD, and am currently transcribing it by ear (slowed down with Audacity). He plays a few parts differently than he does on record, and he's got that extra improv at the end, which will be fun to figure out...It's not too hard though. I know a lot of people say his hardest solo is Crushing Day, but I would have to disagree...I think it's one of the easier ones. IMHO, I think the harder solos include songs such as Devil's Slide, Can't Slow Down, and a few from the ITLIS album... |
If crushing day is kinda easy, how come joe himself struggles to play it? I havent tried to play devils slide or cant slow down but i generally find the legatto stuff pretty easy. I acctually transcribed some of crushing day too when i was younger, i gt u to the part just before the sweeping then i gave in, i really struggle with that stuff, im sure i coulda got a shaky version of it down if id have tried for long enough but yaknow.
Be honest would you say that you are technically as good or better than joe yourself? It would be an awesome feat but it wouldnt suprise me as there seems to be a lot of guys out there now whow can rip it up better than satch can.
QuickerThanSatch - May 4, 2008 08:14 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Satch-mo @ May 4 2008, 09:05 PM) |
| QUOTE (QuickerThanSatch @ May 4 2008, 08:00 PM) | | QUOTE (Satch-mo @ May 4 2008, 07:37 PM) | | Yeah, I ripped the audio from Crushing Day on that DVD, and am currently transcribing it by ear (slowed down with Audacity). He plays a few parts differently than he does on record, and he's got that extra improv at the end, which will be fun to figure out...It's not too hard though. I know a lot of people say his hardest solo is Crushing Day, but I would have to disagree...I think it's one of the easier ones. IMHO, I think the harder solos include songs such as Devil's Slide, Can't Slow Down, and a few from the ITLIS album... |
If crushing day is kinda easy, how come joe himself struggles to play it? I havent tried to play devils slide or cant slow down but i generally find the legatto stuff pretty easy. I acctually transcribed some of crushing day too when i was younger, i gt u to the part just before the sweeping then i gave in, i really struggle with that stuff, im sure i coulda got a shaky version of it down if id have tried for long enough but yaknow.
Be honest would you say that you are technically as good or better than joe yourself? It would be an awesome feat but it wouldnt suprise me as there seems to be a lot of guys out there now whow can rip it up better than satch can.
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Joe struggles to play it because he hasn't played it for years and years, and its the only composed solo in his entire repertoire. He's used to improvising a great deal for every show, so he's obviously had to constrain himself a lot more to not go totally nuts with soloing improv. There is also a fairly rigorous alternate picking section in Crushing Day as well, and Joe has focused mainly on incorporating legato technique, rather than strict alternate picking as Zakk Wylde and Paul Gilbert would do. I don't think the solo is that hard because I am a fairly decent alternate picker, and have given equal attention to all areas of my playing, refining my touch(vibrato, bent vibrato, phrasing etc...) before delving into AP, tapping, sweeping, and legato etc...I also don't think its that hard because you can slow it down and hear the notes perfectly, and thus it is easier to transcribe. I also start out very slow learning these licks with a metronome and make sure they are perfect before I bump up the speed. I think I'll have the solo completely nailed by the end of the month, and I am hoping to record it for Youtube or as an MP3. And honestly, I would consider myself an advanced player, but not up to the level of Joe quite yet (in terms of legato anyways). He is the master, and I can't claim virtuoso status yet, at least for another year or two..lol
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So you agree that joe is a good legatto game but is an underdeveloped player when it comes to sweeping and alt picking?
Satch-mo - May 4, 2008 08:35 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (QuickerThanSatch @ May 4 2008, 09:14 PM) |
| QUOTE (Satch-mo @ May 4 2008, 09:05 PM) | | QUOTE (QuickerThanSatch @ May 4 2008, 08:00 PM) | | QUOTE (Satch-mo @ May 4 2008, 07:37 PM) | | Yeah, I ripped the audio from Crushing Day on that DVD, and am currently transcribing it by ear (slowed down with Audacity). He plays a few parts differently than he does on record, and he's got that extra improv at the end, which will be fun to figure out...It's not too hard though. I know a lot of people say his hardest solo is Crushing Day, but I would have to disagree...I think it's one of the easier ones. IMHO, I think the harder solos include songs such as Devil's Slide, Can't Slow Down, and a few from the ITLIS album... |
If crushing day is kinda easy, how come joe himself struggles to play it? I havent tried to play devils slide or cant slow down but i generally find the legatto stuff pretty easy. I acctually transcribed some of crushing day too when i was younger, i gt u to the part just before the sweeping then i gave in, i really struggle with that stuff, im sure i coulda got a shaky version of it down if id have tried for long enough but yaknow.
Be honest would you say that you are technically as good or better than joe yourself? It would be an awesome feat but it wouldnt suprise me as there seems to be a lot of guys out there now whow can rip it up better than satch can.
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Joe struggles to play it because he hasn't played it for years and years, and its the only composed solo in his entire repertoire. He's used to improvising a great deal for every show, so he's obviously had to constrain himself a lot more to not go totally nuts with soloing improv. There is also a fairly rigorous alternate picking section in Crushing Day as well, and Joe has focused mainly on incorporating legato technique, rather than strict alternate picking as Zakk Wylde and Paul Gilbert would do. I don't think the solo is that hard because I am a fairly decent alternate picker, and have given equal attention to all areas of my playing, refining my touch(vibrato, bent vibrato, phrasing etc...) before delving into AP, tapping, sweeping, and legato etc...I also don't think its that hard because you can slow it down and hear the notes perfectly, and thus it is easier to transcribe. I also start out very slow learning these licks with a metronome and make sure they are perfect before I bump up the speed. I think I'll have the solo completely nailed by the end of the month, and I am hoping to record it for Youtube or as an MP3. And honestly, I would consider myself an advanced player, but not up to the level of Joe quite yet (in terms of legato anyways). He is the master, and I can't claim virtuoso status yet, at least for another year or two..lol
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So you agree that joe is a good legatto game but is an underdeveloped player when it comes to sweeping and alt picking?
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Well I wouldn't say underdeveloped...He just hasn't focused on those techniques as much as someone like Vai or Yngwie, because he prefers the tone of legato playing for the most part, and those techniques are not central to his style...I'm sure if he wanted to, he could practice those techniques and advance at a fairly fast rate. He's definitely improved his alternate picking technique to the point where he can nail the picking in Crushing Day. I would love to see what his absolute limits are though...
QuickerThanSatch - May 4, 2008 08:59 PM (GMT)
It makes me laugh that all the satriani fans myself included (when i was younger) go on about how great crushing day is, yet it is basically satch doing something the likes of vai and them do almost every song, the actual main riff is horrible so i doubt thats the attraction.
Satch's admitedly impressive legatto solo's would be so much nicer with a little string skipping here and a little sweep there dont ya think?
Also can you tell me some other songs of joe that include swep picking and or good alt picking, iv only been watching some videos on youtube in the last few ays but i had all the albums up until engines of creation before i gave up on him, im sure i noticed a little sweep duing raperry jam delta v i think its called.
BTW i hate "RAWK" really, but i like instrumental music and i like seeing anything took to its limits. I used to think satriani did that and thats why i was a fan in the first place, but now i see the likes of petrucci have far surpassed him.
Satch-mo - May 4, 2008 09:53 PM (GMT)
I hated Crushing Day for years until about a year ago....Still not my favourite song, but I'm going to master the solo anyways. I don't really recall any Satch songs that use 'sweep' picking per se, because Satch doesn't really sweep, he 'rake' picks (one direction). I can't really think of any songs where he is doing any kind of fast alternate picking other than Crushing Day...I really don't think the technique makes me like a song more or less...I'm more focused on note choice and phrasing. If I were to criticize him based upon those criteria, then I would say that he needs to ditch the same pentatonic blues-based riffs for awhile and try to create some fresh ideas. I was listening to the Flying In a Blue Dream album the other day in my car, and heard a lot of the exact same riffs heard on Super Colossal, Is There Love In Space, and the new record. I don't enjoy music based on whether another musician has surpassed another in terms of technical ability or other skills...Petrucci definitely has technical ability in spades, but I see that as a bit of a disadvantage, as he seems to show off with his emotionless machine-gun like runs that have no soul, and thus do not 'serve the song'. I think Satch has a better touch as far as feel, vibrato, phrasing, etc.., and that is what better enriches the listening experience IMO.
Mike_Muse_Rage - May 4, 2008 10:01 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (QuickerThanSatch @ May 4 2008, 09:59 PM) |
| Also can you tell me some other songs of joe that include swep picking and or good alt picking, iv only been watching some videos on youtube in the last few ays but i had all the albums up until engines of creation before i gave up on him, im sure i noticed a little sweep duing raperry jam delta v i think its called. |
Hmm. Until We Say Goodbye and Mind Storm have some sweeping.
QuickerThanSatch - May 4, 2008 10:17 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Mike_Muse_Rage @ May 4 2008, 11:01 PM) |
| If I were to criticize him based upon those criteria, then I would say that he needs to ditch the same pentatonic blues-based riffs for awhile and try to create some fresh ideas |
your right he adds that bottom of the pentatonic scale chuck berry type phase into his work entirely too often when he wants to bend the strings
I like how vai can make the guitar scream without dropping back to the blues just for the sake of it
SirChick - May 5, 2008 12:06 AM (GMT)
Tons of Joes songs have sweeping.
And joe has done crushing day standing up it is on youtube so get searching. Its not a difficult song in terms of technique its just alternate picking and alternative sweeping, Which alot of people can do!
But for joe he is not doing that quite so much any more, he is a legato player, his technique is hugely different now to the 80ies thats why he finds it hard, there are many covers of crushing day that a flawless note for note perfect. Most are sitting down when they play it though :P But yeh it's such a clean guitar solo its easy to get each note tabbed out, but to claim its easy to "play", well lets see a video of ya playing it, and maybe then you can have the right to say that :P
Because sure the main melody is but the solo is not easy! lol
Satch-mo - May 5, 2008 04:59 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (SirChick @ May 5 2008, 01:06 AM) |
Tons of Joes songs have sweeping.
And joe has done crushing day standing up it is on youtube so get searching. Its not a difficult song in terms of technique its just alternate picking and alternative sweeping, Which alot of people can do!
But for joe he is not doing that quite so much any more, he is a legato player, his technique is hugely different now to the 80ies thats why he finds it hard, there are many covers of crushing day that a flawless note for note perfect. Most are sitting down when they play it though :P But yeh it's such a clean guitar solo its easy to get each note tabbed out, but to claim its easy to "play", well lets see a video of ya playing it, and maybe then you can have the right to say that :P
Because sure the main melody is but the solo is not easy! lol |
Yeah, and he fucks up the solo BIG TIME in that vid, which is why he needs to play it sitting down, because that's the way he wrote it. You also contradict yourself in your post..At the beginning, you say it's not a difficult song and then you say the solo is "not easy" at the end.. :huh: Make up your mind...The solo may not be easy for someone who doesn't have a good grasp of these techniques, but I do, so I'm not finding it that hard...Who are you to decide who has the right to say anything, kiddo? Are you God himself? I don't have anything to prove, especially to those who talk in circles about things which they know little to nothing about. :lol: Stop being a smartass know-it-all kid for once, and you might garner a little more respect.
BTW, how about posting some links to the many flawless versions of Crushing Day you were talking about?
EDIT: You're busted! In this thread:
http://satrianiforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4760 you say you've only been playing 2 years, but you've said before you've been playing for 10, practicing 10 to 12 hours a day...You are so full of it!!!! :lol:
FenixBG - May 5, 2008 07:53 AM (GMT)