http://youtube.com/watch?v=8s_ZmGUuy1Y - Ghosts

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xah91trSe7U - Acoustic Improvisation by Dave Kilminster... uhh :( sadly turns out it is not Joe.

Nothing new for me with these 2 tracks, have had them for quite some time but for the ones who ain't heard them yet enjoy!

I'm definitely not recongnizing Joe's style in this acoustic improvisation. Are you sure he really is the man playing here ? Cause the attack on the strings the techniques employed and the scales and modes used here don't seem to come from Joe's unique type of playing.

Please, tell me more about it...

I love Ghosts. I prefer it to most of the rest of Satchafunkilus. Thanks!

not good in my opinion

100% positive its him and what is there you need to know, its a random recording by joe that did not make the album i think. But theres no evidence as to when he recorded it, so may be old or it may have been after the recent album.. who knows.

You wouldn't hear a style in joe's acoustic recording on Andalusia as we are not used to his acoustic playing but it is him. Everyone i have asked about it have all pointed to joe. And i have the song myself from very trusted people who sent me it.

thats about as much info as i can give you for time being.

Hmmm, definitely not Joe on this track, that's not his "language". And two guitarists are playin at the same time, it's live not overdubbed...

Nice song anyway !

.....what are you talking about professor satchifunkilus has like 12 tracks of guitars at same time! So why is 2 not a joe track... that lacks logic

I know it is joe I got it at same time as i got ghost! :P im 100% sure, with very reliable sources and then to top it i search it on youtube and it's says joe satriani which is the link i provided you that just adds validity that im not the only one out there thinking it,

It also does sound like a text book recording by joe for acoustic, im amazed ya can't hear the link with Andalusia to the improvisation i can hear very similar personalities in tone of the fingers.

Your reason to say it is not has little to go by in my mind other than the assumption joe has never recorded 2 tracks in his life lol he clearly has and his language, well language is different on acoustic to electric, nearly all his tracks are electric guitar other than some very old old acoustic recordings which would have different language to anything modern due to joe's style playing changes over time, you can only really go by Andalusia in my view to hear similarities, but the only way to know is ask joe himself backstage to really be sure but i still think 100% due to the sources that supplied me with the song have never got it wrong ever and are bootleg hunters to the extreme.

*** if he was around he would tell ya cos he had the track long before i did :P

I mean it's played live by two musicians, it's got that live feel.
And it's definitely not an improvisation, solos appart.

And I'd bet my balls that Joe is not playin' on this one. Ears don't lie... Internet does.

This one is as fake as "Formula One" or "Top Gun Theme"...

I'm the one who uploaded those files. That's just some alternate account I have. I got the two songs from someone just two days ago. He treated the Acoustic Improvisation as an exclusive, but I don't know the details, but I trust his knowledge on this. It's not just some "Top Gun Theme" some dude downloaded from limewire and labelled it under the first big guitarist he knew. That's not the situation here.

"I mean it's played live by two musicians, it's got that live feel. And it's definitely not an improvisation, solos appart."

Why not? How are you so sure? It just seems like a loose, random set of ideas which he recorded over with a second guitar. Both guitars sound exactly the same as well (as well as sounding exactly like Andalusia's recording quality and guitar tone). And it's not like he doesn't have 20+ years of professional recording experience he can't do a two-track little demo by himself.

I don't know for fact if that is him or not. I don't here what I would consider his "signature" style.

however, listen to brother john, tears in the rain, and baroque.

those don't sounds like him either.

take care.

Is this a coincidence? The impro's using the same scales as in Andalusia, on different point in the music, listen carefully ;)
Also, check out Satch Tapes... ;)

That's Joe.

You will hear Joe play licks with an acoustic guitar in the Satch Tapes that are automatically recognizable in Andalusia. They are a bit changed but the main riff sound is there.

Yeah, but this improvisation could have been mine after having watched the Satch Tapes on my TV... Who knows ?

The one thing I'm sure of is the fact that song is not played by Joe. But as I'm gonna meet him in two weeks for the Lyon show, be sure that I will ask him if this song is his...

I agree, that doesnt sound like Joe.

ghosts ,thought it would have a closing solo,can see why left off ,but an ok song...

Ghosts almosts sounds like it could have been on Time Machine.

Hi everyone.

Sadly, the track that everyone is talking about in this thread called 'acoustic improv' is not Joe Satriani.

It is a song called 'Aragon' of an album by Dave Kilminster and Fraser Thornycroft-Smith called 'Playing with Fire'. It was interestingly a track included on the Guitarist magazine from April 1998.

Coincidentally, for all of the trainspotters among us, there was actually a track off the same magazine CD from April '98 that had Joe performing an improvised piece sometimes referred to as 'Heart of the Sun', which, by the way is really cool as well.

I hope this helps to clear up the confusion as to the origins of this acoustic number.

Cheers,

D.

Heart Of The Sun is not acoustic nor was it improvised, it was just a song of Joes that never made it anywere or I think he purposely wrote it for the magazine ? Can't quite remember..

Though google is finding me nothing on your infomation about the artist or Aragon, nor is youtube finding me anything...

Can you provide additional source to your findings? I'm hoping your wrong :P

I own the April 98 English Guitarist magazine with the CD included and can confirm this. Would you like me to post a picture of the cover and the track listing on the back? The second track on the CD is a song called 'Aragon' which is by Dave Kilminster (one of the - at the time- Guitarist magazine contributing editors and a musical colleague of his called Fraser Thornycroft-Smith.

Give me a few minutes and i will post a couple of pics for you...

D.

Yes please :)

Tracklisting pic:

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg159/d...d_april_981.jpg

D.

Front Cover:

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg159/d...77/DSC_0021.jpg


D.

Wait this doesn't really prove anything :S As it has no mention of Aragon on the CD , it would make sense if some one thought the Acoustic Impro was Joe rather than the 3 minute track and then just sent it to the whole world and ended up here eventually.. that could be possible...and also explain why such a great song has never emerged to Joe's album. But it doesn't really mention it other than Joe.. =/

I'll take ya word for it for now, until some one asks Joe in person :P

And here is a link to Dave Kilminster's official site with an MP3 sample of the aragon from his album 'playing with fire':

http://www.davekilminster.com/DiscographyPlayingWithFire.htm

case closed

;)

D.

LOL ok now the case is deffo closed! :D Nice one for this ! I must tell my sources, that they are wrong... how old is this song?


Great song non the less!!

no problem :)

I think it is about 10 years old now, approx. released in 1998.

I hope this helps :)

D.

Recording quality is amazing considering its age.

Yes, it is a very cool song indeed...sounds great.

I am just waiting for the "told you so" comments once everyone else reads this :P

I told you so ! B)

Beedoo

I was never 100% convinced. I don't know Joe as well as a lot of you guys so took your word for it. Ah well, we all make mistakes!

The same story with Top Gun theme, also not from mr. Satriani ...

LOL :P

Recent news duly updated.

I though it wasn't Satch at all too :P